ThaFormula.com - Now let's talk about your battle with Juice on "The Wake Up Show." A rumor spread that the battle was fixed. What exactly went down with that?

Supernat - Well word did get out that it was fixed, but I thought that if anything it was fixed on the behalf of Juice. That's what they thought they were gonna do.

ThaFormula.com - Now towards the end of that battle when they switch the round up and make you go first, you said something that made a lot of sense...

Supernat - I said do boxers change rounds like that? Basically what I meant to say when I said that was do they let the other fighter go to the corner and rest up to catch his breath when they are fighting? No. You continue with the fight till he gets knocked the fuck out, and for me the only thing that I thought was, "okay Nat keeps getting the last laugh." Well of course I keep getting the last laugh, I won the coin toss fair and square. So the thing that I thought was fucked up was how do you start changing rules up in the middle of the battle. You know what I mean? We're in the third round now, now I go first and he goes last? Nah that wasn't right. And for me, I didn't mind sayin' it either. I was like fuck that, this is the oke doke shit you know what I'm sayin'? They are trying to run the oke doke and I'm not no fuckin' fool. I'm like what do you think I'm stupid. He's catchin' his breath. Your lettin' him catch his breath now cause he's getting pummeled every time he comes out cause he's sayin' stupid shit and I'm sittin' there listening to him say it and I'm givin' it back to him.

ThaFormula.com - Were you surprised at how easy you won that battle?

Supernat - No, 'cause I didn't take Juice lightly for one second. I don't take nobody lightly, cause it could be a little would-be muthafucka right outside right now 2 blocks down the street from me that got lyrics, so I don't take nothin' for granted. I didn't take Juice for granted, but at the same time I didn't want him to take me for granted either and play me like no sucka cause I'm not a sucka. Especially when it comes to this rap shit, been doing it to long G. So that's that with the whole Juice thing.

ThaFormula.com - One thing I noticed about you when you battle is that when you diss these dudes, you're dissin' them in a respectful kind of way. There is never any real hate in your tone. I don't know if you understand what I'm trying to say?

Supernat - I know exactly where you are coming from. It's not that I diss them in a respectful type of way, it's the fact that I'm trying to teach them something. That's why I said I feel like I'm beyond jumpin' on the mic and scrappin' with muthafuckas right now. If cats knew like I knew, they would sit down and get a few jewels when they around me if anything. That's how I see it. See, cats hate what they don't understand and they wanna kill what they can't understand. So if they feel like they can disrespect me to the point where it will break my spirit then they feel like they won. But little do they know that when they're doing that, they're tapping into the dark side of the force, they're not tapping into the true energy. When I go into battle, I'm trying to tap into the real shit son. Not the bullshit.

ThaFormula.com - How did you end up hooking up with Vinnie Paz from Jedi Mind Tricks?

Supernat - Me and Vinnie hooked up through Chuck Wilson who is the CEO of Baby Grande and that's how that whole thing came about. I like Jedi Mind Tricks. I have only heard a few of their joints, but the unique thing about that track is that we weren't in the studio together when we recorded that track. I haven't even actually met son. I spoke to him on the phone. That was an idea of the guy at the label. He was like you and Vinnie should do a joint and he brought it to the studio.

ThaFormula.com - Well you know what, let's get into BabyGrande. How did you hook up with them?

Supernat - Well me and the CEO of BabyGrande go way back, he used to manage Djinji Brown, and me and Brown worked together for years so we're like brothers damn near. So that's how I hooked up with Chuck, and me and Chuck were just talkin' one day over dinner and he was like "Yo man you got a legacy out here. I'm getting ready to start this label. You need to get your stuff to the people that love you. The people that are listening to your music, you need to reach out to them." That's how that whole thing happened.

ThaFormula.com - You know it's been a long time coming for this album man. It's considered a big thing to a lot of people who have been waiting for this day?

Supernat - You know it is, but you know what's so crazy bro about this whole shit right now for me? I'm so cool about it that I haven't really realized how major this shit is. Everybody else around me is like, "Nat man you getting ready to do it, you know this is a prelude to the big shit." For me I'm like "ok if it happens it happens, I'm runnin' my race everyday," because the one thing that makes me good at what I do and makes me love what I do is that I remained humble all these years and waited my turn. No matter how strong the fans might of thought I was or the people thought I was, I never let that gas me and I waited my turn and I feel like now is my turn and every time I'm given the opportunity to prove myself I'm gonna do that, 'cause eventually I wanna make it into the mainstream and I wanna represent for cats like you and the kids that hit the sites. I wanna talk about the unseen hip-hop that's out here, the talent that's here for everybody. I wanna be a representative for y'all. That's what I wanna do. This isn't just for Supernat man. This is for the people.

ThaFormula.com - Even though you haven't released an album, has life been good to you physically, mentally, and financially?

Supernat - Man, I'm eatin' man. Have you seen me? Have you ever looked at me? Do I ever look like I'm missing any meals?

ThaFormula.com - (Laughs) Nah man, I just wanna know if things have been good to you cause you definitely deserve it for all the dues you have paid in hip-hop?

Supernat - Things could be better, but you know what man? I count everything that I have on this planet like a blessing and that's what I look at. You know, I could be on the corner selling crack right now. I could be dead right now, so everyday that I have a chance to live my dream and live my music, I'm thankful for that and as I grow older I'm really coming to grips with that. I'm always gonna have fans. I'm always gonna have kids that are gonna wanna hear me, you know God willin' and as long as I have that I'm gonna keep doin' it. So life for me right now has been good. I'm not livin' in a mansion, but I'm livin'. I'm comfortable. I can come home and kick my feet up like right now, I'm just sittin here blazin' on one and this is my surroundings and that feels good for me.

ThaFormula.com - So home is New York for you?

Supernat - Home has always been New York for me, for almost 13 years man. A lot of people think I'm from the West Coast. Originally, I'm from Indiana, number one. I'm moved to New York in the 80's with family and I lived with them in Long Island for about a year and a half. Then after that I moved into Brooklyn with these cats that were known as the "Alien Nation" with Phoenix Orion and that whole click and that was my family.

ThaFormula.com - Speakin' of Phoenix Orion. He has some type of beef going with you. What is that all about?

Supernat - Oh, he's still out there dissin' me?

ThaFormula.com - Well I read on a message board where he claimed he taught you how to rhyme, took you into his home and a bunch of other things that got me wondering...

Supernat - First of all, Phoenix Orion did not teach me how to spit lyrics. When Phoenix Orion met me I was rhymin'. Phoenix Orion had issues with me. We were in a group together and that's where this whole thing stems from. I had a problem with him that was a personal issue and see, I'm not gonna be petty like he is because I know him like family. We shared the same bed and ain't from the same fork. We smoked trees together. But I don't know what he thinks he taught me as far as rhymin' is concerned. He didn't ever teach me how to rhyme. I came here with the dream of being an MC when I came to New York. That's how I ended up coming here, 'cause my cousin who was from Long Island was fortunate enough to be dating one of them at the time. They are the ones that told me to come back and I met him vicariously through my cousin, that's how I met him. Then we lied to everybody when we would meet people. We would tell everybody that we were brothers. This is how the whole mystique started, then I came to Brooklyn and the reason I came to Brooklyn was to join the click. Every time I wanted to go home, he never wanted me to go home 'cause he was always like "yo your super dope, you should rhyme." So this is where this all comes from. Phoenix Orion didn't teach me how to rhyme. The only thing Phoenix Orion did teach me if anything that I can say, he taught me was a certain part of knowledge of self of just understanding culture which is something that he has lost total contact with, so that's the only thing that he taught me. As far as takin' me in, yeah I lived with him and his mother, and they accepted me as one of theirs. But when I began to spring out and did what I had to do on my own, that's when Phoenix Orion began to build up this so called hatred for me, and at this point in the game I've said what I had to say to him. He doesn't even exist to me as a person at this point. I wouldn't even waste my breath on Phoenix Orion even though I know his every waking moment and sleeping moment he thinks about servin' me.

ThaFormula.com - Yeah he definitely is looking to battle you on the mic...

Supernat - Yeah, he wants me, but you know what? I would never give Phoenix the benefit of the doubt cause he's sorry dog. He's sorry. When you know somebody like I know him, it's sad that me and him have even reached this point. What I would really like to do with Phoenix is pull Phoenix to the side and me and him go somewhere alone and we scrap like grown men. That's what I would really like to do. Me personally and that's how deep it goes with us.

ThaFormula.com - So it's like a family thing almost then?

Supernat - It is man, and for him to even be in the streets like that and still pumpin' it, it's sad. That hurts me cause I seen him at the last Magic out in Las Vegas and he was dissin' me downstairs then. See the thing is I can't see me battlin' somebody that I've know for that long. No matter what he does and even after I battle him I know the type of person he is. He's not gonna stop. It's not gonna stop there and at the same time what it is, is that he sees me breaking myself away and he's trying to attach himself to me one way or another, and if it's negative fuck it, let it be negative. That's just the way he is, and see me man like I told you, humility will be the key to my success so I don't even waste my time with people like that. He was a brother who once was a great person to me, but you know at this point in the game, uh, maybe he still will be a great person in his own world, but within my world I can't deal with that because that's not positive for me, and me servin' him or even battlin' him, I'm not gonna get anything out of it. The only thing he's gonna get out of it, is what he's always wanted to do, and that's to battle Nat. You know to prove himself. It's funny that you knew so much about that.

ThaFormula.com - How often do you get in situations like that where dudes approach you to battle? When you're on top the way you are, is it an everyday thing?

Supernat - It used to be. Now I just try to keep myself away from that man, like I said before. But when I first started doing it dog, it used to get crazy. That's why I don't do it no more cause it's like, "damn man leave me alone already!" (Laughs) "Oh, you beat Nat now huh, that makes you the man now?" No, it's still not gonna make you the man until you really go through some real struggle man. Serve some muthafuckas. Show me! Serve somebody! I'm trying to make records and make some money. I'm trying to tell you straight up as a person, after a while that shit gets old to me. I wanna do music. I want you to be able to say, "yo check my man Nat out right here, check this joint out."

ThaFormula.com - So now you just wanna focus only on music?

Supernat - I mean that's what I'm going to do. I mean as far as battlin' man, if I'm not battlin' for no real money, there's nothin' in it for me at this point. What am I getting' out of it? You tell me.

ThaFormula.com - No doubt you already got your respect man...

Supernat - Exactly and I fought and scratched to get my shit man, and you think I'm gonna let just any muthafucka take that shit from me because I felt cocky that night, or because I just couldn't sit back and relax and enjoy the show? I like to enjoy the show sometimes. See and this is what I think makes me unique. I have never, with the gift that I have ever went after anybody. Did you hear that? Did you hear what I said to you? Write that down 3 times when you put that in your article. I NEVER, HAVE NEVER, WENT AFTER ANYONE. I don't fuck with nobody dog. I don't fuck with nobody, and if you ever seen me out or you seen me interact with people, I'm not a arrogant cat. You can touch Supernatural. You can come up and talk to Supernatural. I'm not gonna be too fly to talk to you unless you are just an asshole or some shit like that. I'm always gonna give people good convo. That's why I'm sayin' man, all this battle shit for me is cool but at a certain point like I said, I've never went after anyone, even to this day. And I've never said that in an interview 'till this one.

ThaFormula.com - No doubt. Now why is it that you haven't been on many artists' albums like so many other legends in the game? Has it been by choice or has it been because they just don't ask?

Supernat - They just don't ask dog (laughs). I would love to appear with cats. Nobody has really ever came up and said "hey Nat would you like to do a joint?" I mean me and Charlie 2na have, but I mean that's my homie and those are cats that I been rollin' with. But overall nobody has really came up and said "hey Nat I feel your shit son, lets do a joint."

ThaFormula.com - Does that ever bother you, and why do you feel you don't get asked much?

Supernat - It doesn't bother me that they don't ask. I mean it doesn't even make me wonder. What it lets me know is that maybe people just aren't ready for what I do, or maybe they don't like me. I don't know. It could be anything and I don't let it bother me, because the one thing I have is my music and I enjoy that to the fullest, so things like that don't really effect that.

ThaFormula.com - You know I always tripped out on that track where you were rhymin' underwater. "Black Amphibian" was a crazy concept. How did that track come about?

Supernat - Smokin' trees in the studio late night. We started the track out and I had a McDonald's cup in the studio. That was me blowin' in the cup in the beginning. We just used to do crazy stuff like that. We just had fun with music, and that's why I was sayin' I like doin' music. So I was blowin' bubbles in a cup and I always had the underwater style. Actually it was created as a joke. It was a joke we used to clown people with basically tellin' them you know, your drownin' me with the wack shit and that just developed into a routine. That album was crazy man. I even said things on that album now where I think back and I'm like "damn I was wylin' out." (Laughs)

ThaFormula.com - Well there's no doubt, that album could have never dropped on a major even in 2003. It was too different to be accepted by labels. Which brings me to the next question. What happened to the days when MC's were original?

Supernat - See with that album I was just trying to have fun man. I was trying to let those songs mold me and take me wherever I was gonna go. I don't know where the originality is though now dog. What it is, is that they have equated music and money. If one man has the formula and he's making money, well then what stops the next man from trying that? You feel me?

ThaFormula.com - You know, I was wondering if you feel as if most MC's nowadays have to lick the labels balls in order to get their album out, or to just get a deal on a major?

Supernat - Me particularly, I was always me. I wasn't gonna kiss ass and I'm still not gonna kiss ass to nobody to get a record out. You know if you like it and you feel like you wanna get behind it, then yeah I'm down to be a team player 100 percent. But if a team player means I got to get out and grovel to get my music out, then there's something wrong.

ThaFormula.com - How did exactly did you become so West Coast affiliated?

Supernat - Well one of the first places that I performed at when I got to the West Coast was the Good Life. You know I had the pleasure of meeting Guanja K, he was one of the first cats that I met when I came to the West and through meeting him I got introduced to all the other homies. You know Fat Jack, Aceyalone, Mikah, Peace, Abstract and that whole clique. I remember the first time I performed at the Good Life it was crazy. It's one thing to be an MC, but its another thing to become part of the world that you strive so hard to be in and then be in areas and arenas and places and platforms where all your peers and allies and enemies are in the same place. So performing at the "Good Life" was the spark to my L.A. thing. Then I stayed in L.A. for a while off and on.

ThaFormula.com - So with the new album, why did you choose to go this route with it as far as doing "The Lost Freestyles" and not just doing a completely new album?

Supernat - Well this was something that I wanted to put out as like a piece of my history. The other albums' still in the works. So this was something to say "hey everybody I know you're waiting, here you go." And not only that, there is shit on there that a lot of kids probably wanna get that they can't get. There are little tid-bits and pieces of history on there that the real heads like to have, and it takes you back to those times. You got the dates on there, when you see the whole cover it has all the dates, and what I was doing at the time in there so you know. This is basically me at my best. It's got written songs on there. It's got live songs on there. What am I known for? My live shows, so why not put some of that to use?

ThaFormula.com - Yeah you know, I was at that Wu-Tang show that's on your album. Those were good times and very fun times. Artists seem to have taken the fun out of hip-hop man. Nobody seems to just be havin' fun nowadays. Why do you think that is?

Supernat - As far as the fun in hip-hop, uh you know what it is? For the cats that's made it into the real glamour-n-glitz shit, they took it to far. It's been taken absolutely too far. They have messed it up and that's why it's not fun no more. Nobody has a style of their own. Everybody looks alike. Everybody rhymes about the same shit. Nobody is trying to be individuals. The one thing I said the other day in an interview was that if you think back to the old hip-hop, everybody was an individual man. You had the Native Tongues. You had Krs-1, Run DMC, Chubb Rock, Roxanne Shante, UTFO, EPMD, Public Enemy. Everybody had their own characteristics. See what I'm sayin? PE was revolutionary. Krs-1 when he first came out, he was gangsta. So that's what I'm sayin'. When the individuality got taken out of hip-hop, the fun got taken out of hip-hop.

ThaFormula.com - So why is everybody keepin' their mouth shut? I mean why are all the dope MC's actin' like nothings wrong and just lettin' it slide when back in the day, if you were a biter you got dissed hard like PM Dawn being tossed by Krs?

Supernat - Well see we can't do shit like that no more man cause that's when muthafuckas get killed G. You can't just rush on the stage and throw a muthafucka off now cause cats got gorillas with them. Hired goons. You cant do that no more and then the state of hip-hop where its at a lot of these cats that's yellin' gangsta, they might not be gangsta, but there will be some gangsta muthafuckas around them, so you cant just run up on cats and just wild out. That's what I mean, there is a certain level of respect.

ThaFormula.com - So then what do you do?

Supernat - Send them challenges. Say I challenge you, I think your wack. Let's battle head to head, face to face or whatever.

ThaFormula.com - But Nat, who is gonna do it?

Supernat - (Laughs) It can't be me man. I'll be doing it till I'm an old man cause there is a lot of wack muthafuckas out there.

ThaFormula.com - I'm not sayin' it has to be you, but who is really gonna do this cause it seems like were headed for a natural disaster?

Supernat - I don't think so man. I really don't. I think hip-hop man is getting ready to turn for the better.

ThaFormula.com - How did you go about choosing your production for this album?

Supernat - These are songs that I worked on with some of my peoples like Rhettmatic, on the songs "Internationally Known" and "Victory."

ThaFormula.com - Now you put "Flashbacks" on the album, which was the B-Side to "Buddah Blessed It" from your first LP. "Buddah Blessed It" was a crazy track...

Supernat - How that song came about was sick. I remember me and my man Brown were in Manhattan and we were in this car with this other MC and we was blazin'. I started singin' that hook while we were in the car getting' high and my man was like "Nat that shit is dope." Then I started rhymin' and he looked at the other kid and was like "yo I gotta get this cat in front of the mic right now!" We drove to the studio and we dropped "Buddah Blessed It." That's how that song happened. That's how I like to do music.

ThaFormula.com - So after this "Lost Freestyles" album, do you got the real album droppin' or what exactly is next?

Supernat - Nah, it's just the next album in a series of records that I'm gonna drop. I'm gettin' ready to put out at least like 5 records G. 5 albums here in the next 3 years. That's my goal that I have set for myself. It's gonna be good man. It's just gonna be me being me. Capturing moments in time and taking lyrical pictures and putting them down for the people to hear. That's exactly what it's gonna be.

ThaFormula.com - So when is the album droppin Nat?

Supernat - March 25th man, and I hope that people enjoy it cause that's my main concern. I hope they say "wow, okay, cool." I just want people to sit back relax and feel it. That's really what it's about to me. I hope that people enjoy it and I just want them to know that this is not it. It's not the end of me, but the beginning of me.

ThaFormula.com - I got to ask you this because I'm curious to know, and I know a lot of readers are curious to know. Who you feel won the battle between Jay and Nas?

Supernat - You know what man? I'm still stuck in between on that one. I think Nas got him, but I have to get back to you on that one cause that's a ill one. In my eyes, Nas had valid points and Jay-Z had valid points. I'll tell you the one thing that happened to me that made me appreciate that whole thing. I was at a club one night in New York and I was sitting down and I was blazing and having a drink, listening to music and the DJ played the records as if those 2 guys were there. I was just watching the crowd and how it made me feel. That night I kind of felt like what Nas did was dope. It was funny 'cause Treach from Naughty was there that night and he looked at me across the room and I guess he noticed the same thing. He came and gave me a pound cause he seen me in the zone listening to this. So to me it was cool and I appreciate it for what it is. It was a battle between 2 cats who both got burn in the game. Both making money. It was cool. That was good for hip-hop and it was cool to see that that genre of MC can even get into that. That's what I'm sayin' that a lot of people don't realize is that there's a lot of battlin' shit going on right now in hip-hop that a lot of people don't even know about. I got a whole CD called street wars that got everybody dissin' everybody.

ThaFormula.com - But Nat, unlike your battles, we've got wack MC's dissin' wack MC's in 2003. That's the difference Nat. I'm sorry Nat but if I tell you differently then I would be lying to you and myself, and everybody reading this right now. I mean wack MC's dissin wack MC's?

Supernat - (Laughs). That's dope though to me. That's still dope. You got to give them cats credit. Even when I listen to it, yeah a lot of that shit is wack, but at the same time I'm like at least they are doing it. That let's you know that nobody is safe basically.

ThaFormula.com - Yeah Nat, but damn these guys are straight garbage...

Supernat - I know man. I know its garbage bro.

ThaFormula.com - I mean I can't even enjoy it. I can enjoy your battles. I can listen to your battle with Craig G over an over like "damn that shit was dope!" How you guys were just spittin' back and forth non-stop without any rounds was just incredible concentration.

Supernat - Well that right there was pure energy. That particular moment in time we hated each other (laughs). Just for that second though, Craig is cool now. I see Craig and we talk and the whole shit you know. I got respect for Craig. Me and Craig did our thing and that shit is gonna be remembered forever. To me Craig is gonna be a part of my life forever. No matter what happens, I will always have to acknowledge Craig G 'cause me and Craig just got it on and we lived to talk about it. We still here.

ThaFormula.com - Yeah that must have been like watchin' Holyfield and Tyson in their prime go head to head...

Supernat - Man let me tell you, the first battle was even crazier then that. That particular battle was just raw. That's as raw as battles get. That is a battle. We were cuttin' each other off. That was Bloodsport, me and Craig that night. That wasn't even supposed to go down like that. That was me being rah rah. That was me runnin' up going, "yo I'm ready to get it on with you Craig, what!" That was his show that night actually. He was performing that night. That's how that whole thing happened. It was his performance and it was on my birthday. And the way that I found out was this cat passed me a flyer that was down with Lyricists Lounge at the time and he was doing his own night. The night was called 360 and I went there. That's probably the only night I ever went out looking for some shit. But that was like a revenge thing that night.

ThaFormula.com - So your sayin' the first battle between you and Craig was better?

Supernat - Well the first one was quick. It wasn't as long as this one. The first one lasted like, uh we rhymed on one song. Just one beat. The beat never changed. We rhymed off the "Where My Homies" beat which is really not cool to battle to. But anyway like I said, Me and Craig did our thing and that shit is gonna be remembered forever.

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