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ThaFormula.com - Tell me about what was going on with 2pac before he died?

? - Cats was at him. There was a lot of death threats on Pac before he died. I used to say "Pac, yo take my apartment, here's the key go watch the Jefferson's, get away from this shit, just go to my house while I'm gone and just watch TV and make sandwiches, slow down man, the way you livin' is gonna get you dead out here." He used to say, "you all just don't understand, I'm doing everything I ever wanted to do, I don't give a fuck! I'm doing what I wanna do!" At that point, you couldn't worry about him no more. You just had to support him.

ThaFormula.com - Now a lot of people say 2pac got caught up in the Juice character he played?

? - Never!

ThaFormula.com - Why do you say that?

? - The people who think Pac was like Bishop are stupid. The only thing they had in common was the rage. They both had the temper and the rage. Pac was not a disloyal muthafucka who would stab somebody and show up at his funeral and talk to his family.

ThaFormula.com - Was Pac a very loyal man?

? - Pac was a loyal cat! If he loved you, he had you. If you was family, he was riding for you, he was dying for you till the end. If you was an enemy, he was at you. Whether it be 5/0, whether it be the media, whether it be niggaz in the street. If you was an enemy, he was at you. But if there was no reason for beef, Pac would never take advantage of somebody like Bishop did. That's the difference. People say, "Oh Pac was perfect for that role, he was just like Bishop." He was nothing like Bishop! He had the temper and the rage, but that was it. The mind and the loyalty and where his heart was, was in all of our hands. Pac died for all of us and it's obvious now. You could hear it in his music, you could hear it in his poetry. Pac had all of our backs. Pac wasn't gonna be happy until African Americans and all human beings were free. That's the kind of 'ridah Pac was.

ThaFormula.com - Tell me, where do you lay the blame for the fight between Bad Boy and Death Row?

? - That was bullshit to me. Pac and Biggie was like this nigga!! (crosses fingers) Pac didn't want Stretch or Biggie dead, and Biggie didn't want Pac dead and Biggie obviously had love for Cali. He used to make songs about it. He used to say "you all niggaz is a mess if you all think I ain't going back to Cali." Biggie loved niggaz, Pac loved niggaz. He didn't give a fuck if it was Africa, America, Cali, or New York. Them niggaz loved niggaz. But because Suge and Puffy had something going on, everybody thought they had something going on. But there was a little something.

ThaFormula.com - What do you mean by a little?

? - When Pac got shot Biggie was around, uh, he was there that day upstairs, and because Biggie didn't risk his life to save Pac's life after the fact that they was upstairs. But he couldn't have did nothing. So Pac had a little beef with Biggie you know.

ThaFormula.com - Have you read some of the books that have been written about this?

? - Yeah, yeah now listen, if Biggie was visiting Oakland and Joh Doe had to dead somebody, and John Doe deaded Jay - Z or somebody, when John Doe said come here Pac. Pac gotta walk over there. Because John Doe and them said come here Biggie, Biggie had to walk over there. Biggie is a rapper, they gangstas, but they (Biggie and crew) rappas. Jon Doe and them, them niggaz was killaz that used to run Brooklyn.

ThaFormula.com - Wait a minute, who are you talkin' about?

? - I'm talkin about John Doe. That's the first nigga Pac had beef with in New York.

ThaFormula.com - What was that beef all about?

? - He dissed Pac in an interview so Pac let him have it. But they wasn't rappers, they don't answer on records. They might have had something to do with Pac's first shooting, not his death, his first shooting. So because John Doe and his niggas were there while Pac was on a stretcher, John Doe and his niggas told Biggie to come here and Stretch and Biggie walked over there, Pac turned on them cats. What I was about to say is that if Pac was in Oakland looking out for Biggie, and Biggie got shot and John Doe or any of the John Doe brothers said come here Pac, Pac gotta walk over there too. Because them niggaz is killaz and as much as friends as Biggie and Pac was, Biggie has to live in Brooklyn and he couldn't diss them cats.

ThaFormula.com - So what you're saying is that Biggie had nothing to do with that whole situation?

? - Biggie had nothing to do with Pac's death. I put my life on it. Either that or because Pac had nothing to do with Stretch's death, but the cats who did were muscle cats and Biggie and Pac had no say with them cats, so Pac had to be a man and cut Biggie off. So he cut Biggie off for a minute. He didn't want him dead, and Biggie didn't want Pac dead.

ThaFormula.com - So what and why exactly was the beef between 2Pac and John Doe?

? - Man, your asking me for shit that can get me killed cat! We are way off track now.

ThaFormula.com - Well we can cut it off now if you want man?

? - Nah, I don't mind talkin' about 2pac. The only beef that Pac had with Biggie was because Biggie got some of that West Coast slang from Pac. Biggie used to chill at the Juice set and when Pac was finished shooting, they would go run New York together. They would go to the Tunnel and shit like that. Biggie was showing Pac New York and Pac was showing Biggie the industry. All that "strugglin steady bubblin", that's West Coast slang. In fact that's Big Syke right there. Syke is Pac. Pac wasn't no punk, he wasn't insecure. If he liked what you were doing, he would embody it. So he embodied a lot of Ren at first, then Scarface, and then some Syke. In fact all them niggaz he was hangin' with. But Pac's whole point or message the whole time was that of the Black Liberation army and Black Panthership. That's all Pac was about. Whether he was a thug or not.

ThaFormula.com - Do you think the media was the cause of that whole beef shit?

? - I could say yeah in a way, because if you ever heard Biggie do an interview talkin' about 2pac, he never said nothing bad. He was never like I wish anything bad on that man. He never ever said nothing like that. Because Biggie wasn't no killa. Biggie sold guns, and he would defend his family like any of us niggaz would, but he was just a brother. A straight lyricist.

ThaFormula.com - What about the track "Kiss your Ass Goodbye" off of his double disc alum? It really sounded like Biggie was talkin' about 2pac's death on that track?

? - Well then what about the one from Pac when he says, "god bless the dead." You could think that that's about Biggie too. Look, Pac was a thinker. Pac had bullets in the chamber, meaning, "if Biggie die before I do, put this out," "if I die before Biggie, put this out." Pac really did it like that and he's got shit now that won't come out because that person is still alive. See what I'm sayin'?

ThaFormula.com - What do you got to say about the 2pac track where during the intro he says, "Suge shot me?"

? (#2) - You know what, I heard it. I can't really say he's saying that, it sounds like it, but is he really saying that? I don't know man, and I can't say for sure that he is, but everybody thinks so.

? - Death Row were the only niggaz that could support Pac for Pac to roll the way he wanted to roll. That's why he went to Death Row. Suge had not only the money to pay Pac's bail, but he had the muscle. He had the distribution crew, he had the marketing muscle to be what Pac needed to be. Suge had everybody on the West Coast. The truth is, Pac was just an ambitious kid with a mind, who saw that shit just wasn't right and was trying to change shit just like anybody.

ThaFormula.com - Alright, now this is a question many people have been askin' for years. Do you feel that DMX is a 2pac biter?

? (#2) - Nah, I don't think so. I think he loved Pac. I remember I was in New York one time, I was up at Priority with Ras Kass and there was a couple of niggas up there from yonkers and they was like, "Pac is just the craziest nigga." They was like, "he came out here by himself, he's shooting Above the Rim and this nigga is walking around the projects with his big chain on by himself at night and runnin around." Niggas was scared to talk to him. They was like "this nigga is crazy, this nigga has got to be crazy."

? - They knew they had to love him or kill him. All them niggaz. DMX, Ja-Rule and all them niggaz who everybody thinks sound like Pac, they love Pac. How many guitar players sound like Jimi Hendrix? That's respect and love. DMX brought something in the game. He put patterns together in ways that Pac didn't. He's doing DMX, but the fact that he's also doing Pac ain't nothin' but love. It's an influence, just like us as artists, we got our influences from other people. DMX is the first nigga to use the same word twice in a rhyme often and make it mean different things. "Last time you see that nigga, last time you see that nigga." You know DMX got his shit. He got that crazy voice. He's different from Pac. But with "Flesh of my Flesh, Blood of My Blood." Come on! Pac was the first nigga to go Biblical!

ThaFormula.com - Which brings me to the first time I saw a DMX video and saw him screaming "Illuminati." All I kept thinkin' was that that's 2pac's shit right there.

? - Yeah, I mean we all said, "oh he got that from Pac." All of us said, "oh he sounds like Pac," but DMX is himself just like he said Pac was himself. Pac got a lot of shit from 'Face. Scarface was his idol. He also got a lot of his shit from Ren, Syke, and niggaz didn't even know.

ThaFormula.com - So my last question is, would DMX, Ja-Rule, and all these other rappers that are soundin' like Pac, be around if Pac was still alive?

? - I couldn't say they wouldn't. Because they would be thriving for whatever Pac was thriving for. Right now Pac is what your supposed to be, but when Pac was alive it was something else.

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